Sunday, October 10, 2010

How to trade safe in this market

MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:50:33 AM): good morning sir
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:50:44 AM): how r u
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:50:58 AM): i am at Banglore at present
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:50:59 AM): aur sinha saheb kaise hain
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:51:11 AM): mfine
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:51:13 AM): bus,sab aapki dua hai
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:51:45 AM): i came to banglore in august
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:51:50 AM): and still here
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:51:58 AM): why
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:52:02 AM): negotiated one 3 bhk flat
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:52:24 AM): means u want to settle there
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:52:39 AM): yes
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:52:44 AM): it is better place
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:52:49 AM): to live in
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:52:49 AM): oho but why
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:53:41 AM): i was facing some truble like internet,electricity and climate not suitable in muz.pur
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:54:07 AM): however one of my youngest son is in banglore
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:54:18 AM): so there is none in muz
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:54:37 AM): k
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:55:10 AM): though i can not leave muz.pur immediately as i can not dispose my assets which i have created with my sweats at muz.pur
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:55:31 AM): but i will try to spend some of my time in Banglore
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:55:49 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:55:59 AM): and ur mrs
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:56:14 AM): flat is for investment as well as a shelter for my elder son when they come back to india
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:56:28 AM): ok
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:56:37 AM): my wife is still in muz.pur to look after but she will be with me
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:56:53 AM): how is yr daughter and wife and other members
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:57:20 AM): still she is in ICICI
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:57:37 AM): my daughter is regional product manager icici in kanpur zone
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:58:05 AM): i could not communicate you due to my personal engagement
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:58:22 AM): how is the knee-pain of yr wife
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:58:32 AM): is she still having
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 9:59:18 AM): i will invite you to come to banglore after DEC after i get the possession of flat
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 9:59:27 AM): rest 2 son are in delhi and bhiwani ..knee pain some times
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:00:18 AM): so you are enjoying ur rest of life span under the blessing of MA DURGA
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:00:34 AM): the hose is the best but no chutti profession i c
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:01:13 AM): sometime i scan throgh Dhanvarsha and i find a lot of customer from abroad also
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:01:27 AM): the profession i chose is the best but no chutti
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:01:39 AM): thats true
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:02:22 AM): but i think it is a very good profession if worked with certain decipline and under limitation
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:02:51 AM): seeing the mkt volatility i changed my style of working and trading
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:03:08 AM): i lost some money 30000.00 in bull run on shorts of Bank nifty on 13.9.10
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:03:41 AM): earlier i was of principle to play without sl
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:03:46 AM): i could not cover due to uncertainity and it killed me with a loss
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:04:08 AM): sl is very essential
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:04:18 AM): u see my plight and result
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:04:40 AM): i saw 40 % move in 1 day
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:04:51 AM): 18 % fall in 1 day
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:04:58 AM): i shorted at 11036 and within 2-3 days it gave a loss of 600 points
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:05:08 AM): yes u r correct
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:05:09 AM): without any signals and news
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:05:27 AM): yes,very unpreditable
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:05:53 AM): then i decided that enter with sl
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:06:13 AM): not putting SL,i am also in trouble at present
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:06:49 AM): i am long in banknifty at12758 -one lot and 6244-nifty one lot
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:07:08 AM): and the market crashed
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:07:17 AM): i could not get out of it
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:07:27 AM): i can not book loss even
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:07:37 AM): so holding from 4.10.10
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:08:08 AM): showing loss of 10000.00 aprox
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:08:49 AM): aisa hi hota hai
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:08:54 AM): as it is a long in trade ,i can wait
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:09:05 AM): blocking capital
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:09:07 AM): http://dhanvarshagrp.blogspot.com/2010/10/go-short-on-bhartiartl.html
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:09:15 AM): either to book loss or average
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:09:32 AM): ok
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:10:33 AM): i am negotiating my broker for reducing their charges and then i will take up your calls in stock futures
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:11:06 AM): as i have observed your calls giving a better results
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:11:15 AM): at least in shorts
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:11:46 AM): not like that
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:12:00 AM): as i do not trade in stock futures i only observe because call is yours
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:12:05 AM): even in long too
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:12:13 AM): of course
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:12:37 AM): at present i am trading only in nifty and bank nifty
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:12:41 AM): i advised buy reliance at 922 when all were bearish on it
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:13:02 AM): and now it is rocking
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:13:09 AM): 1045
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:13:49 AM): sinhaji main tech signals par trade deta hoon
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:13:59 AM): yes
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:14:10 AM): only forced move take my calls other way
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:14:21 AM): right
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:14:54 AM): if no operator or owners influence in trade my call works
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:15:13 AM): yes,undoubtedly
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:15:46 AM): that i have been looking for long time
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:15:50 AM): and the reason if call went wrong i exposed same day
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:15:57 AM): with proof
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:16:09 AM): yes
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:17:03 AM): see my advise for ur holding is dont carry the loss trade it each day
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:17:16 AM): seeing the direction
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:17:25 AM): ok
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:17:53 AM): what is yr opinion about current move
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:18:01 AM): if u are long and u are seeing ur trade is falling go short with double qty
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:18:19 AM): good
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:18:25 AM): with single sl
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:18:34 AM): ok
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:19:17 AM): carry over the position for the next day and trading without sl is fatal
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:19:18 AM): and in evening u will see u are at nice position and relief
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:19:30 AM): noted for future
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:19:53 AM): yr view at current market
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:20:13 AM): see if mkt is consolidating then the risk is there but if mkt is in trend u can carry ur posn
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:20:28 AM): yes
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:21:01 AM): here 50/50
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:21:07 AM): dilemma
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:21:22 AM): yes,some recommends to continue long in only trending market
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:21:24 AM): traders are still confused
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:21:30 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:21:50 AM): but majority is with bears
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:22:07 AM): i will try to come out with minimum loss
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:22:18 AM): or try to average on downfall
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:22:43 AM): as my buying during bull run
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:22:54 AM): averaging is never recommended by me
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:23:07 AM): even in lonf
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:23:11 AM): long
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:23:33 AM): why to put more weight in sinking boat
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:23:42 AM): right
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:24:22 AM): better is jump from the boat
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:24:28 AM): y r correct
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:24:46 AM): so sl is the best way
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:25:10 AM): no place sl as per ur risk apetite
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:25:25 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:25:42 AM): and if u have earned 20 k
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:25:58 AM): then place sl at 15 k away
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:26:09 AM): which will never trigger
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:26:10 AM): ok
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:26:18 AM): haaaaa
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:26:33 AM): trade only on c
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:26:41 AM): onfirmation
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:27:01 AM): yes,a remarkable point
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:27:04 AM): if u trade for 30 paisa gain
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:27:17 AM): on 100 rs
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:27:30 AM): u will earn 500 rs
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:27:52 AM): on a future trade excluding brokerage
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:27:59 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:28:11 AM): so enter in stk
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:28:24 AM): stock future
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:28:46 AM): when it will move 1 point away from ur direction
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:29:03 AM): place tsl at 30 paisa gain
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:29:15 AM): and let profits run
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:29:24 AM): right
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:29:34 AM): else 500 is urs in worst scenario
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:29:49 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:30:15 AM): suppose u traded andhra bank lot size 2000
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:30:22 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:30:39 AM): u bought at 163 placed sl 161
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:31:06 AM): k
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:31:08 AM): when it moved ab
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:31:12 AM): ove 164
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:31:31 AM): u can shift sl to 163.35
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:31:52 AM): if it will fell down
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:31:56 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:32:01 AM): u will earn 700
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:32:23 AM): if it will rach 169
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:32:31 AM): u will earn 12k
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:32:53 AM): ok
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:33:00 AM): thanks a lot
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:33:32 AM): i will talk to you once i get negotiated with my broker shriram insight
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:33:37 AM): hope u got my point
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:33:46 AM): of course
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:33:57 AM): and it will help u
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:34:06 AM): i got another lession on this beautiful day
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:34:16 AM): oh sure
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:34:23 AM): what r the charges u are paying now
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:34:57 AM): i am paying rs 187.00 including all for one lot of nifty
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:35:13 AM): and 75.00 for mini
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:35:15 AM): both way
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:35:19 AM): per lot
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:35:42 AM): and in stocks
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:35:59 AM): no one lot buy-sell i pay rs 187.00 including all
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:36:10 AM): in stocks 10 paise
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:36:17 AM): not bad at all
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:36:36 AM): i am not sure but it is around
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:36:42 AM): if u will trade only 11 points it is 350 gain on 1 lot
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:37:06 AM): in stockfuture
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:37:07 AM): 550 - 187
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:37:21 AM): nifty
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:37:24 AM): in terms of intra cash
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:37:25 AM): right
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:37:35 AM): 3 pais 5 paisa
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:37:51 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:37:58 AM): 1 paisa
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:38:13 AM): i cosidered 5 paisa in example
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:38:21 AM): k
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:38:46 AM): see for 100 point future trade
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:38:58 AM): k
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:39:15 AM): 5 and 5 brok will be max 10 paisa na
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:39:29 AM): yes
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:39:39 AM): deduct from 35 paisa
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:39:52 AM): balance is 25 paisa
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:39:58 AM): x qty
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:40:08 AM): if 4k lot
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:40:16 AM): then 1 k gain
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:40:48 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:41:26 AM): and a loosting returnsh bittle experiance will give u suc
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:41:51 AM): right
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:42:22 AM): thanks a lot once more
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:42:37 AM): and a little experiance will give u such boosting returns
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:42:44 AM): k cua
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:42:53 AM): let me concentrate in this side
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:43:32 AM): though i was having idea but not getting convinced
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:43:38 AM): now i am alright
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:43:46 AM): after talking to you
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:43:55 AM): read this http://dhanvarshagrp.blogspot.com/2010/10/reliance-media-works-6-k-on-one-lot-in.html 
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:44:10 AM): my chat with sinoj
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:44:17 AM): ok,thanks
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:44:32 AM): select small achivable tgts
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:44:43 AM): if u are going off
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:44:50 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:45:08 AM): i advised to place him 2 points
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:45:16 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:45:19 AM): means 2000
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:45:27 AM): on 1 lot
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:45:34 AM): good
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:45:42 AM): investment-
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:45:57 AM): 50 k
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:46:04 AM): 5 hrs
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:46:11 AM): 2k wapsi
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:46:12 AM): no problem
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:46:37 AM): a good deal
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:47:53 AM): see 10 points in 40 mins
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:47:55 AM): http://dhanvarshagrp.blogspot.com/2010/10/you-can-see-10-points-gains-on-hdfc.html
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:48:39 AM): jab dekha train chali latak lie
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:49:03 AM): good
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:49:23 AM): hahahahahhaha.........
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:49:38 AM): and before destination jumping
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:50:09 AM): haan jee
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:50:09 AM): hamen bangalore jana tha
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:50:20 AM): when
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:50:22 AM): canttt utre to bhi chalega
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:50:39 AM): wapsi se behtar hai na
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:50:42 AM): which area y want to go
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:50:53 AM): in above example
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:51:00 AM): right
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:51:17 AM): yes
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:51:20 AM): have u seen my trade of hdfc
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:51:31 AM): it is before me
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:51:43 AM): see at bottom of chart
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:51:43 AM): now i am seeing
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:52:00 AM): trade timing and rates
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:52:48 AM): in same chart u can see nifty short call
MKumar Sinha (10/10/2010 10:52:58 AM): ok
kailash Chaturvedi (10/10/2010 10:53:08 AM): at 6205
kailash Chaturvedi(10/10/2010 12:20:53 PM): Chinese Proverb;" Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

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